[Spoilers] Official DH1 Movie Discussion Thread

by **yvaine** 2010-11-17, 11:32

This is the thread where you can share your thoughts about the movie. If you haven't seen it yet, please be warned that SPOILERS ABOUND IN THIS THREAD.

Ready, set, DISCUSS!

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by **Targrod** 2010-11-17, 11:35

sabi nga ni joan, or was it allan? Kamukha ni Taylor Hanson si Bill.

geek

by **yvaine** 2010-11-17, 11:56

Targrod wrote:sabi nga ni joan, or was it allan? Kamukha ni Taylor Hanson si Bill.

Hrmmmmmmmmm... oo nga. But with red hair. LOL

Na-cut ang scene ni Viktor Krum. Sad

by **hermgranger** 2010-11-17, 12:15

I was disappointed with the Dursleys scene. No redemption for Dudley Sad

by **yvaine** 2010-11-17, 13:13

hermgranger wrote:I was disappointed with the Dursleys scene. No redemption for Dudley

Same here. It would've made for a good parallel to the Hermione Obliviate sequences. And also, if you didn't read the book, you'd be wondering in the beginning why they had to leave.

Also sad that there was no little tribute to Mad-Eye.

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by **severusa.snape** 2010-11-17, 14:39

Targrod wrote:sabi nga ni joan, or was it allan? Kamukha ni Taylor Hanson si Bill.

actually, 1st time ko makita si Bill coz i don't browse photos that much about DH. nalurkey ako when i saw him sa Wizardry Book ni Echo sa UKG Razz

by **lianne** 2010-11-17, 20:11

Nice touch yung Hermione and parents scene. I think I already started tearing up dito pa lang. Razz

Yung sa Dursley's naman, ok lang sakin na wala ng redemption for Dudley. @yvaine, hindi ba parang namention naman ni Vernon na hindi na safe dun kaya sila kailangan umalis? Although I guess, a mention of how Harry is wanted by Voldemort might have explained that better. What I was hoping to get though was the snub of Harry by Petunia.

Grabe pagkamatay ni Charity ha.
I mean, katulad nung sa book pero wow! Mas gruesome yung sa movie compared to how I imagined it. Saka talagang wala hold back sa pagpakita ng dugo. O_o

by ichiro_malfoy 2010-11-17, 21:05

I thought the scene with Hermione casting protective charms with her hands raised up (with blood) was edited and the blood was removed? It turns out na it was untouched after all.

by pipeclay 2010-11-17, 21:30

lianne wrote:Grabe pagkamatay ni Charity ha.
I mean, katulad nung sa book pero wow! Mas gruesome yung sa movie compared to how I imagined it. Saka talagang wala hold back sa pagpakita ng dugo. O_o

salamat sa heads-up Lianne.. tatakip nalang ako ng mata at sisilip sa pagitan ng daliri.. hehe..

by **lianne** 2010-11-17, 22:51

ichiro_malfoy wrote:I thought the scene with Hermione casting protective charms with her hands raised up (with blood) was edited and the blood was removed? It turns out na it was untouched after all.

It was edited for the trailer because a trailer supposedly has to be GP?
Or something like that. But the movie is rated PG-13 so the blood's back. Smile

@Pamela: Ay nako good luck. Ako din nakatago. And usually I'm not scared sa mga ganyan. Razz

by nicaboii 2010-11-17, 23:18

I teared up when Hermione cast the spell on her parents Sad

I seriously disliked the torrid Harry/Hermione scene though Smile

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by pipeclay 2010-11-18, 01:02

lianne wrote:@Pamela: Ay nako good luck. Ako din nakatago. And usually I'm not scared sa mga ganyan.

patay...

.. pano pako? e takot ako sa dugo and scenes na may flesh and the likes.. di bale.. DH naman.. tiisin ko nalang.. Razz

by **yvaine** 2010-11-18, 08:55

nicaboii wrote:I seriously disliked the torrid Harry/Hermione scene though )

Yes, may kasama ako!!! cheers

I re-read the book after we watched, and nowhere in there did it say they were supposed to be sorta naked or that Ron saw them that way! I'm not being prudish here or anything (I'm an adult) but even if it's part of the Ron's Worst Nightmares montage, it's just too exaggerated. Mad

by **Targrod** 2010-11-18, 13:50

^^
yup, it was really exagg. baka naman the two wanted to try momol-ing screen. kahit one time lang. it didn't look cheap pero it wasn't for kiddies. sabi nga ng friend ko hindi lang daw pang-adults yung film. well, sa sabado, he'd probably know what i am talking about.

pipeclay wrote:
lianne wrote:@Pamela: Ay nako good luck. Ako din nakatago. And usually I'm not scared sa mga ganyan.

patay... .. pano pako? e takot ako sa dugo and scenes na may flesh and the likes.. di bale.. DH naman.. tiisin ko nalang..

mag-rereact pa ba ko dito? hahaha! nakita lang ni pam yung kawawang arm ni bilius, biglang nagtago sa box ng popcorn (trivia: alam niyo ba nung nagtago si pam dun sa popcorn, naharangan yung buong katawan niya? cool noh?)

additional lang sa kin: it seems na sinamahan talaga ni yates ng "cinematical" content yung film. Kung mapapansin niyo, may mga scenes na ang focus ay yung background at hindi yung artista. marami nun dun sa girl-boy-bakla este girl-boy-boy scene. pero parang walang point yung sinabi kong to.

by pipeclay 2010-11-18, 14:04

Targrod wrote:mag-rereact pa ba ko dito? hahaha! nakita lang ni pam yung kawawang arm ni bilius, biglang nagtago sa box ng popcorn (trivia: alam niyo ba nung nagtago si pam dun sa popcorn, naharangan yung buong katawan niya? cool noh?)

haha.. naalimpungatan ka nun Targs nung nakita moko.. tsaka di naman buong katawan, buong mukha lang.. di ko keri yung mga flesh flesh scenes.. parang ang sakit..

Anyways, galing ni Emma dito ha.. bilib ako..

Di ko alam kung san yung cut pero nung nakita ko yung scene, na-feel ko na.. Kasi pag lumagpas pa dun sa part na yun, parang wala ng ititira para sa part 2.. hehe..

by gelai 2010-11-18, 14:54

@yvaine: same here, nagulat ako. at first i was thinking na CGI lang yun Suspect

overall, i like it except for the snake scenes.. Sad

by allanwhistletop 2010-11-18, 16:37

severusa.snape wrote:
Targrod wrote:sabi nga ni joan, or was it allan? Kamukha ni Taylor Hanson si Bill.

actually, 1st time ko makita si Bill coz i don't browse photos that much about DH. nalurkey ako when i saw him sa Wizardry Book ni Echo sa UKG

Si Joan nagsabi, nag agree lang ako... moving on, most shocking scene - Harry and Hermione torrid lip sucking ala dementors, most moving scene - Dobby death scene which is really surprising since it is CGI or puppet animation but still touched me

by iamcaryl 2010-11-18, 22:09

nicaboii wrote:I seriously disliked the torrid Harry/Hermione scene though )

Haha! Ako rin, nagulat dun sa scene na yun. I was like " Shocked

". Ang lusty ng bongga. Laughing

But anyway. I really liked The Tale of the Three Brothers! Super unique and new sya sa lahat ng HP movies before. Yun ang pinaka-tumatak sa utak ko. Razz

Oh, and gusto ko yung fact na marami silang kinuha na dialogue sa book. tongue

by doc_ardyey 2010-11-18, 23:48

the answer for the much awaited expeliarmus passing of wands... a verbatim from Chapter 23, p. 474 Malfoy Manor...

"He leapt over an armchair and wrested the three wands from Draco's grip [Bella's, Wormtail's and Draco's], pointed all of them at Greyback, and yelled, "Stupefy!"

also, with reference to Gregorovitch passing the powers to Grindelwald... it was stolen... no murder happened... but powers was passed...

so STEALING, DUELING and KILLING are 3 valid ways to possess the powers Smile

by **yvaine** 2010-11-19, 08:34

^
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Erf, medyo mahirap ang "stealing" na part. Sabi nga ni Claire sa Plurk, eh di ibig sabihin, na-transfer na ang allegiance ng Elder Wand kay Voldie.

I'm wary that they will change the mechanism of the magic governing the wands. To be honest, medyo mahirap ito sundan especially if you're coming from HBP pa. But then again, they pursued the Gregorovitch and Ollivander storylines, so I guess there's hope na they will still follow Canon. But the Malfoy Manor scene is important eh. Hay.

EDIT: I went to The Lexicon, of course, hehe. Well, it did say that Grindelwald stole the wand from Gregorovitch, but it did not say that Grindelwald became the true Master, although his evil deeds using the wand were quite notorious.

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by pipeclay 2010-11-19, 08:43

yvaine wrote:Sabi nga ni Claire sa Plurk, eh di ibig sabihin, na-transfer na ang allegiance ng Elder Wand kay Voldie.

er.. i guess Voldie's stealing from Albus does not count, because by the time he did that, Harry has already won its allegiance from Draco (kung tama ang tanda ko ha)..

Or is this Voldie-stealing a different one?

by **yvaine** 2010-11-19, 08:51

pipeclay wrote:er.. i guess Voldie's stealing from Albus does not count, because by the time he did that, Harry has already won its allegiance from Draco (kung tama ang tanda ko ha)..

Yup, tama, yun nga yun.

I re-read that part, and it looks like yung wrestling lang talaga, and that's pretty much it. So Harry "stole" Draco's wand, and with that, the Elder Wand transferred its allegiance to him, so medyo invalidated na yung stealing ni Voldie from Dumbledore. Ayan, so ok na tayo, RJ! Hehe.

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by pipeclay 2010-11-19, 09:06

ahh.. guess they meant "STEALING, DUELING, KILLING, or simply taking the wand by force" would make you the new master of the Elder wand.. they really have to make the definition clear on the next movie for the non-readers.. it'll be questioned.. Rolling Eyes

edit:
I just have to say that I like the part where Hermione's protective charms were tested.. as far as i remember, wala yung scene na yun sa book.. and it's good na na-emphasize yung effectiveness ng magic casted and yung "nowhere is safe" thing.. Very Happy

by karlmerc 2010-11-19, 17:11

I think I might have posted my review in the wrong section. Here it is:

I gave it a 7/7. It's the best Potter film for me, so far. I didn't mind the torrid kissing of Harry and Hermione; it adds to the maturity factor. About Pettigrew not dying, I'm pretty sure the filmmakers would kill him on the second part by other means.

HP7 Part 1 is an excellent film, in my humble opinion. It's full of humor, adventure and action. It's rather dark and sad and that's what I loved about it. I was having goosebumps at the start of the film, even with the flashing of the rusted Warner Bros. Logo, and was feeling very sad during the scene where Hermione modified her parents' memories and those family pictures with her fading away; I was like, "Awwww..." The ending is also very poignant.

The film is just so exciting and I loved every microsecond of it. I'm pretty sure Part 2 would be as good, knowing that it would contain Chapters 25 through 26 plus the Epilogue, and the filmmakers wouldn't leave so much details behind.

by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-20, 09:29

In addition to what I mentioned in the rate the movie thread, I think the filmmakers banked on the idea that filmgoers have already seen the previous movies. All 6. In the case of Rowling's final installment, that is really not a problem, since I don't think anybody in his/her right mind would read Book 7 without the benefit of having read the previous 6. So she has every right to be more confident in her writing of the last book. But movie-wise, I find the confidence of the filmmakers unwise. A film, even if it's part of a series, must be able to stand on its own apart from being able to continue a grand narrative.

As with DH 1.0, I don't think a regular filmgoer would be able to appreciate the narrative without prior knowledge of the books. There were some missing links a non-fan wouldn't be able to fill on her/his own. That's a major problem for me. While we can assume that most of the issues will probably be answered in the very last installment (I hope), there were some points that had to be either reinforced in this movie for clarity's sake or simply addressed in a straightforward manner so as to avoid confusion by the time the end credits roll.

I also noticed the difficulty the director had to face in terms of directorial continuity and the responsibilities and choices that go along with being the director. It has something to do with foresight, really. The absence of Dobby in films 3-6 was a problem. They weren't able to strengthen the friendship between him and Harry, thereby forcing them to cram DH with Dobby moments for them to play catch-up. I guess that is the reason why there were some viewers who were not effectively moved by the death scene of Dobby.

Anyway, I still need to process my thoughts. These are just some ideas floating around my head this very moment. Smile

by **lianne** 2010-11-20, 10:20

I get what you're saying about Dobby Dadaf.
Thing is, I've never liked Dobby. Even in the books.
But JK was able to make me bawl my eyes out during that scene.
And I've always attributed it to the fact that JK focused on Harry's pain.
I was affected because Harry was mourning and not because I was sad about the death of a character I hated. And this is the problem with the movie. They filmed it with a detached feel to it. They didn't focus on Harry who would have moved us with his pain.

It's really hard for me to imagine what it's like for a regular movie goer. I don't know how much they'd go "huh" over because the filmmakers chose to be too true to the book. Everything made sense to me (sana lang Razz

) and for once, I think they were able to fully explain things that were unraveled within the movie. I can't think of characters or plots they referenced from other films which they needed to fully explain beyond what their roles or importance were in DHp1. I'll think more about this.

by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-20, 10:32

^Totally agree with you re: Dobby. I never really liked the elf. But that moment in Deathly Hallows book was just perfectly written, I'm sure there were no dry eyes among readers when they got to that part.

As for characters, I'm guessing non-readers will be surprised once they encounter Bill. Okay lang yung pagpasok nya, na introduce naman. But I'm sure viewers would be thinking, "ah, so sila pala ni Fleur? Paano nangyari yun?" How? When? Where? Very Happy

And also Dung. Bigla na lang sumulpot. So member siya ng Order. Bakeeeeet? Ano'ng silbi niya sa Order? Sa books, claro yun. He owed Dumbledore. And the Order felt somebody like him, a lowlife, would contribute something to their cause. Pero sa film, "huh?" moment ulit. And he was able to go in and out of Grimmauld Place pa to nick Black family heirloom.

By the way, I'm not really comparing the movie with the book. All I'm after is clarity lang sana sa adaptation. In fact, I think movies should totally go one step further, even at the expense of changing things in the books for clarity's and expediency's sake. Perfect example: the LotR movies.

by **yvaine** 2010-11-20, 11:08

Really, now, I realize, there's one person to blame (for the most part, aside from the producers and director): Steve Kloves. Razz

I actually defended him up until HBP, but after DH1... errrr... not that the movie is a disaster. It's just the continuity and little details. Unlike J.K. Rowling when she was writing, it feels like they didn't have a Continuity Editor for the films. Of course, I might change my mind if everything pays off in DH2, but right now, I'd like to have a little chat with him. Razz

DAF: Jusko. Kapag hindi siguro inayos ang adaptation ng LotR, mamamatay na lang tayo sa boredom, and... oh dear, we'll get Tom Bombadil. o_0

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by **Targrod** 2010-11-20, 11:38

i was reading that film wizardry book and they mentioned na kaya maraming naputol is they want the film focused only with HP.

Ayun lang. Input lang...

Razz

by karlmerc 2010-11-20, 12:02

DH Part 1 was good enough because it was split into two films; the only problem is that they are covering so many holes that occured when they crammed all the other books in a 2.x hour movie, which is a major problem. When a hole is covered, another appears. They should have split all the films into two or more, not only that we'll be able to enjoy 14 or so Potter films (LOL) but also to portray Ms. Rowling's story in maximum amount of imagery. That, however, will not be such a hit; only the fans would appreciate that. The storyline of HP is insanely long, so the filmmakers decided to cut some parts. I believe that every scene that is deleted from the book is a tough decision to make, and we know that they are even consulting the author when they do so. What matters most is that the major plot is not modified that much and the essence of the story is not spoiled.

At another perspective, it's just a marketing scheme, you know. They cut some parts so the non-readers would be curious then they'll end up reading the books anyway. That's only true for those who have really appreciated Harry Potter. Some moviegoers, however, just watch movies for the sake of watching movies. "I've already watched Harry Potter!" okay so you did, now what? I have friends who are non-readers and they really like the story, but it's inevitable that they'd be asking questions which only the books can answer. And since I have read the books, I'm more than happy to answer them. It's only a matter of mutual understanding between the filmmaker and the moviegoer that no one is perfect.

If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself? Laughing

by **yvaine** 2010-11-20, 12:23

karlmerc wrote:If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself?

Because he doesn't have 400 million dollars.

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by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-20, 13:18

karlmerc wrote:If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself?

There is such a thing as film criticism. It doesn't mean that just because one didn't like the movie, his/her opinions no longer matter. That's the reason why we have film discussions and such, to discuss our opinions. I think it would be futile to expect everyone to have similar responses about a film.

And oh, it's not a matter of being smart (although I would like to think that I am). It's a matter of having an opinion.

by AmandaBlue 2010-11-20, 13:28

Going in, I did not know kung san nila puputulin yung movie. Although, I had my opinions on where they should cut it. Kaya I was so happy pareho sa opinion ko, hehe. Anyway, yung build-up ng ending was brilliant, when Voldemort raised the wand, then may thunder, and the screen went black, first thoughts talaga: "ARGH! BITIN!" Then I realized, 8 months pa till part 2 Sad

Haha, but I loved the movie, I enjoyed it tremendously. I wanna watch it again!

And oh yeah, after the movie ko lang na-realize na Producer na pala si JKR.

yvaine wrote:
Targrod wrote:sabi nga ni joan, or was it allan? Kamukha ni Taylor Hanson si Bill.

Hrmmmmmmmmm... oo nga. But with red hair. LOL

Na-cut ang scene ni Viktor Krum.

Didn't know he was there! Hmm sayang naman, I was waiting for him to appear.

yvaine wrote:
hermgranger wrote:I was disappointed with the Dursleys scene. No redemption for Dudley

Same here. It would've made for a good parallel to the Hermione Obliviate sequences. And also, if you didn't read the book, you'd be wondering in the beginning why they had to leave.

Also sad that there was no little tribute to Mad-Eye.

Yes, true. I was waiting for both scenes, Dudley's redemption and tribute to Mad-Eye.

lianne wrote:Nice touch yung Hermione and parents scene. I think I already started tearing up dito pa lang.

I felt bad for her, then sa diner, she had to do it again on Dolohov. It was bad enough she had to do it on her parents, then you'd see another different reason why she had to do it.

ichiro_malfoy wrote:I thought the scene with Hermione casting protective charms with her hands raised up (with blood) was edited and the blood was removed? It turns out na it was untouched after all.

Orange pa ata yung blood, di realistic, hehe.

yvaine wrote:
nicaboii wrote:I seriously disliked the torrid Harry/Hermione scene though )

Yes, may kasama ako!!!

I re-read the book after we watched, and nowhere in there did it say they were supposed to be sorta naked or that Ron saw them that way! I'm not being prudish here or anything (I'm an adult) but even if it's part of the Ron's Worst Nightmares montage, it's just too exaggerated.

When I watched it, I thought "ganun naman ata sa book." When we got home, I looked at the book too, and realized na oo nga, medyo exaggerated. Pero well, they had to sell the movie, I guess.

But I liked the fact na Hermione was so pretty sa scene na yun. I watched with my friend na di familiar sa HP, he was like, "Ang ganda naman ni Hermione dun!" I turned to him and said, "Well, ganun kaganda si Hermione sa mata ni Ron." I thought the idea was so sweet.

Targrod wrote:Anyways, galing ni Emma dito ha.. bilib ako..

Me too

I like the part where they were in the Forest of Dean, she said something like how it was the same forest but some things are not the same, not even her. Naka-relate? LOL.

DADAProfAE wrote:
karlmerc wrote:If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself?

There is such a thing as film criticism. It doesn't mean that just because one didn't like the movie, his/her opinions no longer matter. That's the reason why we have film discussions and such, to discuss our opinions. I think it would be futile to expect everyone to have similar responses about a film.

And oh, it's not a matter of being smart (although I would like to think that I am). It's a matter of having an opinion.

True. As a fan, I don't think the movies are "all that." Siyempre, I'm always disappointed na they removed my favorite parts, or at least the ones that I think are important, or they do a scene in a way that I didn't imagine it. Iniisip ko nalang, this is how the writer interpreted JKR's work, kanya kanyang interpretation lang yun, I guess.

Well, speaking of doing a scene in a way that I didn't imagine it, I liked the animation for the Tale of the Three Brothers. For a while there, when they were zooming out from Lovegood and focusing on the bird outside, I thought they weren't gonna include the story. I thought it was a nice touch Smile

I also liked the part where Hermione and Harry were dancing kasi it showed na even though they were facing difficult times, they still had it in them to smile. It's a nice touch too for R/Hr shippers (well, at least it was for me) kasi it showed na hindi talaga si Harry ang nagpapaligaya kay Hermione. Yeah, he did make her laugh and smile, but after that, Hermione still realizes that Ron was not there. Si Ron pa rin magpapaligaya sa kanya Smile

by tiffy 2010-11-20, 21:54

hi everyone, just wanted to share my opinion/impressions on the movie. i really enjoyed watching it. I was shock for a moment when i saw the passionate kissing scene between harry and hermione, i was like we get the picture, is this necessary? anyway, after all the action that was going on, i hardly remembered it. I particularly like the way they portrayed the tales of the three brothers, reminds me of japanese shadow puppets. The nagini scenes were like watching a horror film eg. anaconda. I was moved to tears when dobby died and actually like the dobby free elf speech. The way he stood up to the malfoys was kind of empowering. (dobby = deus ex machina) when it seemed there was no way out, dobby to the rescue! yey! and then when bellatrix killed him i was so mad, i wanted to shout a killing curse at her right then and there. I also like the ministry of magic scene, i could sympathize with the people being dragged off and interrogated. it was a dark time indeed. The ending was very dramatic, i didn't realized it was already the end of the show, i wanted more i guess... have to wait for the part two like everyone else...

by karlmerc 2010-11-20, 22:12

The thing is, this is Hollywood we are talking about. IMHO, the film could not get any better than that. It was "saint-like."

And the difference between the film and the book? The film and the book are ENTIRELY different things.

"based on the novel by J.K. Rowling"

as always, in the credits. There's always unnecessary stuff in the books.

By the way, are you trying to suggest that this 7th film should stand alone for itself? I mean, like, being able to understand it without watching the first six? I'm a college student and I know what "prerequisite" means. You can't take Calculus if you don't even know Algebra. This rule is also true, movie-wise. Like LOTR, Harry Potter is a series. Unless the filmmakers would include something like, "previously on Harry Potter..." which would be pathetic, might as well film for a TV series.

"If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself?"

no offense meant here.

I apologize for being so "futile" because I really did expect that the viewers would have almost, and at most, the same response. That's naive of me because I loved the film so bad and that I would disagree to almost any negative criticism. But let me state one fact: there is a high probability that HP7 Part 1 receives "Excellent" rating from its viewers, which is evident with RottenTomatoes.com (professional movie critics). That probability is about 0.8. The remaining 0.2 are those people who have watched it but are either very stupid or very smart.

User DADAProfAE, you belong to the latter, and that is a compliment.

I'm just a new member here, I "Just got off the Hogwarts Express" and I did not mean to bash anything or anyone, and I hope we'll all be very good friends. Smile

(Please forgive me. I just so love the film that even until now, I can't get over it.) Smile

by khaye007 2010-11-20, 22:54

I badly wanted to see the way Dudley turned to be a nice guy after all. Sad

( it might be unnecessary. But for those non-readers, Dudley will always be a bully for them.

Gusto ko yung scene ni Dobby being Potter's hero. I really like him for that. But the burial was not the kind of burial in my mind. Akala ko kasi yung scene dun medjo madilim and quite gloomy which will complement the mood.

by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-21, 08:39

karlmerc wrote:The thing is, this is Hollywood we are talking about. IMHO, the film could not get any better than that. It was "saint-like."

And the difference between the film and the book? The film and the book are ENTIRELY different things.

"based on the novel by J.K. Rowling"

as always, in the credits. There's always unnecessary stuff in the books.

By the way, are you trying to suggest that this 7th film should stand alone for itself? I mean, like, being able to understand it without watching the first six? I'm a college student and I know what "prerequisite" means. You can't take Calculus if you don't even know Algebra. This rule is also true, movie-wise. Like LOTR, Harry Potter is a series. Unless the filmmakers would include something like, "previously on Harry Potter..." which would be pathetic, might as well film for a TV series.

"If someone really is so smart and thinks he knows better, why can't he just make the film himself?"

no offense meant here.

I apologize for being so "futile" because I really did expect that the viewers would have almost, and at most, the same response. That's naive of me because I loved the film so bad and that I would disagree to almost any negative criticism. But let me state one fact: there is a high probability that HP7 Part 1 receives "Excellent" rating from its viewers, which is evident with RottenTomatoes.com (professional movie critics). That probability is about 0.8. The remaining 0.2 are those people who have watched it but are either very stupid or very smart.

User DADAProfAE, you belong to the latter, and that is a compliment.

I'm just a new member here, I "Just got off the Hogwarts Express" and I did not mean to bash anything or anyone, and I hope we'll all be very good friends.

(Please forgive me. I just so love the film that even until now, I can't get over it.)

Since this is a discussion thread, we are all entitled to our opinion. And in my opinion, the film didn't do the book justice. I am glad you enjoyed the film. As a hardcore fan myself, I rejoice everytime fans respond positively to an HP film. The thing is, I am more than a fan. Call it part of my job description.

You said you're a college student and that you know what "prerequisite" means. Good! I will not refute that. The thing is, I am a university professor so pardon me if I pull rank when it comes to prerequisites since I actually create the school subjects and the flowcharts myself Smile

I also am a film critic, not to mention an American Cinema professor, so yes, I do know what Hollywood filmmaking is all about. Hollywood may be synonymous with "money-making capitalist machine," but that doesn't and shouldn't stop this Beast from creating critically-acclaimed movies. I'm sure you can mention a lot of Hollywood movies that would fall under that category.

Like it or not, there are some people who will watch the Deathly Hallows without having read nor seen the previous books/films. I myself was a witness to this fact last Friday at MoA's Director's Club block screening. During my scheduled lecture prior to the screening, a few audience members raised their hands when I asked them if there's anyone who hasn't seen or read the 6th Film/Book. So my friend, there is no such thing as a prerequisite when it comes to movie-watching. Like it or not, not everyone in the planet is a Harry Potter fan like us.

And yes, I do know what film adaptation means. Again, as I mentioned in my previous post, I am not trying to compare the book and the film adaptation. That would be so pedestrian of me. What I am after is clarity in the adaptation. I don't mind the filmmakers removing stuff from the books, in fact most of the time, I welcome it. And I definitely don't mind when they make some changes if it is for the sake of the film's narrative. The thing with this installment is, I think they removed things with impunity; without thinking of continuity which, in my opinion, weakened the very same narrative it wishes to convey.

I do love Harry Potter. Ask around. I don't think you will ever find a member here who will say otherwise. That's the common thread that binds us here. I do know you're a new member here, so let me be the first to welcome you here at Hogwarts Philippines. Welcome! Please enjoy your stay. Smile

But the thing is, as a community, we do value each other's thoughts and opinion about anything. And if you see me posting comments about either the books or the films that may not exactly be favorable, let it be known that I do it out of love for the books, like you do. The only difference perhaps is, I don't mind it if people disagree with me. That is the hallmark of having an open-mind, I think. And as an educator, that is something I highly value.

Cheers!

by Aze 2010-11-21, 20:12

Eto talaga una napansin ko dito sa thread...

Many didn't like the H/HR kissing uhm torrid scene... Hehe... Not that i wasn't shocked to see it there (sobrang gulat talaga, nasabi ko agad sa kasama ko, hindi yan kasama sa book promise. haha) but i found it nicely done, not a cheap way of making that kind of scene... Smile

Exag yes but nicely done... Razz

And the H/HR dance was again hilarious. hahaha.

i also liked the way they presented the darkness in the movie.. Smile

ang evil kasi ng dating eh, just the way i imagined it while reading the book. dark times talaga. the torture scene of hermione, gusto ko pumasok sa scene at i avada kedavra si bellatrix eh.. nag init ulo ko. haha. Very Happy

plus the charity burbage scene, kakatakot. mas sobra pa sa iniisip ko. Smile

hmmmm... and yeah i agree with everyone... biglang sulpot of the people makes non-readers wonder talaga... i have my share of questions already from my officemates who doesnt read the books or hasn't read the book yet... Ang daming questions na minsan hindi ko alam pano i explain ang sagot. haha. One question is: During the 7 potters scene, sino sino ang mag papartner sa kanila... uhm harry at si hagrid. haha. Very Happy

medyo nabitin lang ako sa mga action scenes. like the escape from the ministry, the fight at the manor... medyo nakulangan ako... i always like the fight/wand fighting scenes... Smile

uhm yun lang ata for now, i will be watching hp this tuesday for my 2nd serving. i might be able to find somethings to talk about... Smile

siya nga pala... kakatakot ang mukha ni Bathilda Bagshot... Haha... I do have to say kudos to the casting director though for putting up fine actors for the movie and really they suited each character perfectly well... Xenophilius is one... The three ministry employees (arnold reg and the lady)...

Regarding to the post above me... Smile

I agree with you profae.. we don't agree with everyone all the time... but then again our opinions matter much cause from there we can have a healthy discussion and discuss what we love and thats the world of Harry Potter... Smile

Cheers

by AmandaBlue 2010-11-21, 20:28

Aze wrote:Many didn't like the H/HR kissing uhm torrid scene... Hehe... Not that i wasn't shocked to see it there (sobrang gulat talaga, nasabi ko agad sa kasama ko, hindi yan kasama sa book promise. haha) but i found it nicely done, not a cheap way of making that kind of scene... Exag yes but nicely done... And the H/HR dance was again hilarious. hahaha.

I agree! Dan was a horrible dancer though, haha he made me laugh.

Aze wrote: medyo nabitin lang ako sa mga action scenes. like the escape from the ministry, the fight at the manor... medyo nakulangan ako... i always like the fight/wand fighting scenes...

Yeah, me too. Lalo na yung sa Malfoy Manor, kasi when I was reading it, I was holding on to the book coz the scene was so intense, and sa movie parang di masyado. Parang kulang ang intensity, considering it was the climax of part 1.

Aze wrote:siya nga pala... kakatakot ang mukha ni Bathilda Bagshot... Haha... I do have to say kudos to the casting director though for putting up fine actors for the movie and really they suited each character perfectly well... Xenophilius is one... The three ministry employees (arnold reg and the lady)...

Yes! Haha, she was like from one really freaky horror movie. When we were watching, we were like, "Woah! Parang horror movie lang ah!" The 3 ministry employees were funny, haha lalo na si Arnold and his really awkward walk, and Reg and his wife. That made me laugh.

by Aze 2010-11-21, 20:44

AmandaBlue wrote:
Aze wrote: medyo nabitin lang ako sa mga action scenes. like the escape from the ministry, the fight at the manor... medyo nakulangan ako... i always like the fight/wand fighting scenes...

Yeah, me too. Lalo na yung sa Malfoy Manor, kasi when I was reading it, I was holding on to the book coz the scene was so intense, and sa movie parang di masyado. Parang kulang ang intensity, considering it was the climax of part 1.

nasabi ko nga sa sarili ko yun na yun. pero yung mga kasama ko they were like holding on to their seats na kasi nga climax na... hehe. Smile

AmandaBlue wrote:
Aze wrote:siya nga pala... kakatakot ang mukha ni Bathilda Bagshot... Haha... I do have to say kudos to the casting director though for putting up fine actors for the movie and really they suited each character perfectly well... Xenophilius is one... The three ministry employees (arnold reg and the lady)...

Yes! Haha, she was like from one really freaky horror movie. When we were watching, we were like, "Woah! Parang horror movie lang ah!" The 3 ministry employees were funny, haha lalo na si Arnold and his really awkward walk, and Reg and his wife. That made me laugh.

Hahaha... horror movie talaga yung kay bathilda... no jokz... parang mukha ni harry nung hinex siya ni hermione. lolz.

by **yvaine** 2010-11-22, 08:48

@Aze, @AmandaBlue: Sorry, talagang hates ko yung Locket Kiss. Hehe.

But as for the dancing... In general, the idea is okay, though I thought it was unnecessary. If it's to convey H/Hr's deep friendship, sige lang... however, the way it was shot and acted... it was like Harry was initially thinking of something other than a friendly dance. Sure, they're probably pulling the audience's leg, trying to make them think exactly that, but it was weird in that context. And yeah, Dan's a horrible dancer, which made it all the more awkward, especially the first steps!

And again, if it was to convey H/Hr's deep friendship, I think there were a lot of scenes where their friendship was beautifully portrayed, in particular, the Godric's Hollow cemetery scene. Smile

by Caito_Kid 2010-11-22, 10:30

hermgranger wrote:I was disappointed with the Dursleys scene. No redemption for Dudley

I was waiting for that scene too!...and yet, nothing happened. Sad

the dance scene of Harry and Hermione is funny! and I never expected it...

by Aze 2010-11-22, 13:42

yvaine wrote:[color=indigo]@Aze, @AmandaBlue: Sorry, talagang hates ko yung Locket Kiss. Hehe.

Hehe. No worries there prof sky. Smile

Weird of them to put that scene nga eh... hmm.. I think they were thinking about a way to better present Ron's worst nightmares?

Regarding the dance naman, siguro iniisip ni Harry what if si Hermione at di si Ginny... Smile

And baka to lightenup the dark theme of the movie...

by AmandaBlue 2010-11-22, 22:26

Aze wrote:
yvaine wrote:@Aze, @AmandaBlue: Sorry, talagang hates ko yung Locket Kiss. Hehe.

Hehe. No worries there prof sky. Weird of them to put that scene nga eh... hmm.. I think they were thinking about a way to better present Ron's worst nightmares?

Yeah, no worries Prof Sky Smile

I agree, Aze. I think it was to show na ganun katindi yung worst nightmare n Ron...

Aze wrote:Regarding the dance naman, siguro iniisip ni Harry what if si Hermione at di si Ginny... And baka to lightenup the dark theme of the movie...

I agree with you Aze. I think it was to show na kahit times are tough, it's still a matter of attitude and perspective. Even in the darkness of times, you can still find a reason to smile, laugh, or even dance. Smile

yvaine wrote:And again, if it was to convey H/Hr's deep friendship, I think there were a lot of scenes where their friendship was beautifully portrayed, in particular, the Godric's Hollow cemetery scene.

Yes, I like that scene. Nakaka-touch Smile

Although, yung kasama naming non-HP fan, he turned to me and said, "Yan ba ang best friend??" Suspect

by **yvaine** 2010-11-23, 09:20

AmandaBlue wrote:Yes, I like that scene. Nakaka-touch Although, yung kasama naming non-HP fan, he turned to me and said, "Yan ba ang best friend??"

Oo naman, noh! Mas bestfriend naman yun kesa sa Dance Scene! Razz

by hermyohnee 2010-11-23, 13:44

Hi!

I think this movie would come to non-harry potter fans as rather boring, esp. if they haven't seen the 6th movie.
But generally, i liked this one Very Happy

In particular, i liked that a lot of the original dialogues from the book were used, like the "holly" part, and when harry and ron were arguing na.

Anyway, medyo nabitin ako with the action scenes, esp. the ministry and malfoy manor scenes, i dunno, when i was reading it kasi, i was biting my nails, jumping, screaming and stuff, haha! but they said naman that the second (and last Crying or Very sad

) part of it would be ACTION from the beginning up to the last second (i'm expecting na! so dapat!!!)

I was shocked din with harry and hermione's torrid kissing scene! I didnt expect that they would be so. .so. .naked! affraid

Yung kay Dobby, I was waiting for the part when dobby said "You must not hurt Harry Potter!" For me kasi, parang, yun na yun eh! It explains how dobby's verrry much devoted to harry.
Also, i wasn't teary-eyed at all when he died, at least not in the movie. I remember kasi, before he died, "HARRY... POTTER" were the last and only words he managed to utter, and that for me was very touching in itself, i cried in that part ( sa book). Sad

Pero siguro nga, so as to move or touch the audience more, nag dialogue pa si dobby ng stuff about dying in the company of friends, so understandable naman.

Parang hindi rin na-emphasize na there's already a kind of uprising na in the wizarding world.

Also, am i the only one who's disappointed with how kreacher looks? parang it's different kasi from what i imagined eh (which is based from rowling's description). I dunno.

Daming reklamo no? Hahaha
Though i might have a lot of disappointments (or comments), generally LIKED it still. I'm looking forward to the final installment na.
Very Happy

hermyohnee Like a Star @ heaven

by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-24, 10:09

Another thing that I think was problematic in this film is the broken piece of glass that Harry kept with him all throughout. While we readers were already made familiar with it courtesy of the 5th book, viewers without prior knowledge of what happened in the 5th novel will not be able to understand the context of that item. There was no filmic introduction prior to this movie, hence, the glass became something like a deus ex machina in the narrative. It saved Harry and company in the end, but the said item had no prior foundation in the entire cinematic narrative.

by khaye007 2010-11-24, 10:47

hermyohnee wrote:Hi!
I think this movie would come to non-harry potter fans as rather boring, esp. if they haven't seen the 6th movie.
But generally, i liked this one
In particular, i liked that a lot of the original dialogues from the book were used, like the "holly" part, and when harry and ron were arguing na....

I super agree. Especially with your thoughts about the dead scene of Dobby. That is one of my favorites in DH and I was so disappointed that I wasn't able to feel the same thing while watching the movie. The movie was not able to give justice to that scene. Poor Dobby. Crying or Very sad

Another thing, they forgot to credit the good side of Dudley. As I said, non-HP readers will always think that Dudley is a bully and never changed.

I'm expecting more action scenes as well for DH2. Twisted Evil

DADAProfAE wrote:Another thing that I think was problematic in this film is the broken piece of glass that Harry kept with him all throughout. While we readers were already made familiar with it courtesy of the 5th book, viewers without prior knowledge of what happened in the 5th novel will not be able to understand the context of that item. There was no filmic introduction prior to this movie, hence, the glass became something like a deus ex machina in the narrative. It saved Harry and company in the end, but the said item had no prior foundation in the entire cinematic narrative.

Yeah. I watched the movie with my friend who is a non-hp reader. She asked about the mirror and why does Harry keep on looking at that mirror. She even asked me how did Dobby was able to arrive at the manor (but I expect this scene will be discussed on part2). Wink

by **lianne** 2010-11-24, 11:46

DADAProfAE wrote:Another thing that I think was problematic in this film is the broken piece of glass that Harry kept with him all throughout. While we readers were already made familiar with it courtesy of the 5th book, viewers without prior knowledge of what happened in the 5th novel will not be able to understand the context of that item. There was no filmic introduction prior to this movie, hence, the glass became something like a deus ex machina in the narrative. It saved Harry and company in the end, but the said item had no prior foundation in the entire cinematic narrative.

Daf, question, what if it's explained in Part 2?
I think that's my main concern with parts 1 and 2. Do we treat them as two stand alone movies or just one? Because there's a good chance some of the questions we have with part 1 are answered in part 2. Which means it would make sense to view the movies as one, rate them as one, criticize them as one.

queen

by **DADAProfAE** 2010-11-24, 11:55

^
Yan din ang iniisip ko. Kaya lang, ang daya nun, kasi hindi naman lahat ng manunuod ng part 1 manunuod ng part 2. So commercial strategy that is most evile, most foul kung ganun. Parang sinigurado na para maintindihan, panuodin ang kasunod na kabanata. The thing is, even if they decided to split the movie in half, dapat yung details per part, buo. Kasi sayang ang pera ng viewer di ba?

And to add, if we decide to criticize the films as one big film (as in the final book), pointless itong thread natin bigla Very Happy

Kasi we have to wait for the final installment. For film critics, mahirap yun kasi they really must evaluate the film based on what they have already seen and not on what could possibly be seen in the future.

I'm suddenly reminded of LotR: The Two Towers. Kahit pa bitin na bitin siya (di ba it ends with the two hobbits, Gollum and the promise of Shelob), na resolve pa din yung main conflict sa 2nd novel. While we can argue na The Two Towers is just one novel, we can also say that it is not entirely a stand alone one as it depends on the first for the exposition and the 3rd for the conclusion.

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